It seems as if Chief Justice John Roberts is very hated. But I would like to withhold judgment on this until some further examination. I keep hearing the beginnings of some conspiracy theory on BOTH sides.
We
do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That
judgment is entrusted to the Nation’s elected leaders. We ask only
whether Congress has the power under the Constitution to enact the
challenged provisions.
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 2 (2012).
I
would hope I do not hear people saying “Obamacare is now law of the
land.” meaning to say it should not be overturned or changed in any
way. This decision was about what authority congress has.
Also...
“Those
decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be
thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our
job to protect the people from the consequences of their political
choices.”
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 6 (2012).
One of the initial replies I hear are since it was not framed as a
tax, it should not have been considered a tax, even if it was argued
by the Government as a tax in oral arguments. But do we really want
the Supreme Court to rule like that? I would not want the U.S.
Congress to frame something in constitutional terms, and not have the
Supreme Court call it what it is and strike it down. I do not want
the Congress to tie the hands of the supreme court by limiting their
interruption of a law to the specific language used to frame the law.
The commerce clause is used too much. It becomes a source of limitless power. In my reading, this is an attempt to limit the commerce clause, to put boundaries on it. Had the ruling been 6-3 and Roberts went over to the other side in order to “right” the opinion he would be praised in an attempt to salvage some of the damage caused.
Now from the decision:
The
Constitution grants Congress the power to “regulate
Commerce.”
Art. I, §8, cl. 3 (emphasis added). The power to regulate
commerce
presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be
regulated. If the power to “regulate”something included the power
to create it, many of the provisions in the Constitution would be
superfluous. For example, the Constitution gives Congress the power
to“coin Money,” in addition to the power to “regulate the Value
thereof.” Id.,
cl.
5. And it gives Congress the power to “raise and support Armies”
and to “provide and maintain a Navy,” in addition to the
power to “make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land
and naval Forces.” Id.,
cls.
12–14. If the power to regulate the armed forces or the value of
money included the power to bring the subject of the regulation into
existence, the specific grant of such powers would have been
unnecessary. The language of the Constitution reflects the
natural understanding that the power to regulate assumes there
is already something to be regulated. See Gibbons,
9 Wheat., at 188 (“[T]he enlightened patriots who framed our
constitution, and the people who adopted it, must be understood to
have employed words in their natural sense, and to have intended what
they have said”).4
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 19 (2012).
But
the use of taxation powers is used to encourage activity. If you do
some activity you maybe given a tax credit or a deduction. And
reducing or eliminating a credit or deduction discourages the
activity. By increasing your income tax based on your lack of your
health insurance, it would increase economic activity.
Taxation
can be used to pry open the can which would expose the contents to
the commerce clause. While I would like to see the commerce clause
limited more, to see taxation being used to start or encourage more
activity THEN
bring in the commerce clause for further regulation seems to go
against the above principle.
In
time the use of taxation will bring out more commerce, which would
then allow the commerce clause to be used.
Where
would tax laws be placed? Must the health care tax be placed into the
tax code? (If it is not already is in there.) What I wonder do tax
laws, creation and implementation, require certain procedures be
followed?
Maybe
more importantly, could new tax laws be written to counteract the
Health Care Tax without amending the Health Care Law?
Under
the mandate, if an individual does not maintain health insurance, the
only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the
IRS when he pays his taxes. See §5000A(b). That, according to the
Government,means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a
condition—not owning health insurance—that triggers a tax—the
required payment to the IRS. Under that theory, the mandate is not a
legal command to buy insurance. Rather,
it makes going without insurance just another thing the Government
taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income.
And
if the mandate is in effect just a tax hike on certain taxpayers who
do not have health insurance, it may be within Congress’s
constitutional power to tax. (Emphasis
Added)
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 32 (2012).
What did this just say?…Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income. And if the mandate is in effect just a tax hike on certain taxpayers who do not have health insurance, it may be within Congress’s constitutional power to tax.
What WHat WHAT! ..[G]oing without insurance [is] just another thing the Government taxes like buying gasoline or earning income.
What do you mean Like? Gasoline is a thing, earning an income is something, Not getting health insurance is NOT A THING! Is there ANYTHING taxed if I don't have it?
It is not sufficient to raise taxes if someone does not do something. In my opinion, raise everybody’s taxes, and give a Health Insurance Tax Credit (HITC) to those who have health insurance. Insurance companies will give out a proof of insurance forms as well as an electronic form which you would file with your taxes. Thus allowing you to claim you tax credit.
Show me precedent of taxing the lack of something. Where in the History of the United States has our lack of doing something or lack of having something results in us being taxed. Such an example should be used if it ever existed. To compare it like buying gasoline or earning an income, is the fitting of a square peg into a round hole.
As we have explained, “every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality.” Hooper v. California, 155 U. S. 648, 657 (1895).
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS 567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 32 (2012).
This process yields the essential feature of any tax:it produces at least some revenue for the Government. United States v. Kahriger, 345 U.S. 22, 28 n 4 (1953)
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS 567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 33(2012).
But
look at this case a bit closer and it describes the collection of
revenues (any amount even a tiny amount) from activities (those
engaged in the activity of collecting wages).
Revenues
come in from Taxes on activities or Taxes on ownership of property.
(Which seems to say State Government but
not the Federal?owns
the land and you pay for the privilege of keeping it.) So I win a
huge lottery one year, I pay my taxes for that year, and I pay two
years in advance all my expenses. Now my post tax winnings (500
million) are in an account collecting no interest at all. I stay in
my apartment whose rent is prepaid for the next two years, furnished
with items purchased in the year of my good fortune. As a result I
engage in no economic activities the next two years after my win. So
could the federal Government tax my inactivity? It contains “the
essential feature of any tax: it produces at least some revenue for
the Government.” It would have a code in the IRS, and be collected
by the IRS. When the federal government places a tax on the
inactivity of a person or persons, no matter what they do not do,
the federal government is stealing.
Congress
encourages getting health insurance in the form of a deduction or a
tax credit. Raise everyone's rate which would amount to penalty if
you must, giving a tax credit or deduction for those with health
insurance.
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS 567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 34 (2012).
In these examples we have the purchase of licenses and nuclear waste shipments, all seem to be activities being taxed.
They
reference Drexel Furniture and look at how it was not viewed as a tax
compared to the penalty of the Health care laws
- In Drexel Furniture it involved a 10 percent 'tax' on income, regardless of size of infraction. The Health Care Tax then could never exceed the price of Health Care.
- The offender must know they are breaking the law.
- The agency collecting the 'tax' has to have had a history of collecting taxes. IRS yes, Dept of Labor No.
The
Health Care Tax could never exceed the price of insurance. So what if
one year the 'Tax' could be shown to exceed the price the person
would pay for health insurance? one could sue and now the Tax would
be unconstitutional.
None
of this is to say that the payment is not intended to affect
individual conduct. ...But taxes that seek to influence conduct are
nothing new. Some of our earliest federal taxes sought to deter the
purchase of imported manufactured goods in order to foster the growth
of domestic industry ...Today, federal and state taxes can compose
more than half the retail price of cigarettes, not just to raise more
money, but to encourage people to quit smoking. And we have upheld
such obviously regulatory measures as taxes on selling marijuana and
sawed-off shotguns.
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 36-37 (2012).
We
again have taxes being laid on the activity of purchasing or selling
of a product.
When
we hit to pages 41-44
A
tax on going without health insurance does not fall within any
recognized category of direct tax. It is not a capitation.
Capitations are taxes paid by every person, “without regard to
property, profession, or any
other circumstance.”
… There may, however, be a more fundamental objection ...Even if
only a tax, the payment under §5000A(b) remains a burden that the
Federal Government imposes for an omission, not an act. If it is
troubling to interpret the Commerce Clause as authorizing Congress to
regulate those who abstain from commerce, perhaps it should be
similarly troubling Congress to impose a tax for not doing
something.
Three
considerations allay this concern. First, and most importantly, it is
abundantly clear the Constitution does not guarantee that individuals
may avoid taxation through inactivity. A capitation, after all, is a
tax that everyone must pay simply for existing, and capitations are
expressly contemplated by the Constitution. The Court today holds
that our Constitution protects us from federal Three considerations
allay this concern. First, and most importantly, it is abundantly
clear the Constitution does not guarantee that individuals may avoid
taxation through inactivity. A capitation, after all, is a tax that
everyone must pay simply for existing, and capitations are
expressly contemplated by the Constitution. The Court today holds
that our Constitution protects us from federal
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 41-42 (2012)So Chief Roberts is now attempting to address my concern of “taxation without activation”. He first says this NOT a capitation since not everyone pays for it. Then in an attempt to allay my concern, Chief Justice says the Constitution does not guarantee avoiding of tax through inactivity. His example is Capitation. How is it phrased? “Capitations are taxes paid by every person, without regard to property, profession, or any other circumstance.” This is a tax which is not able to be avoided by inactivity it also can not be avoided by activity. It is a tax laid “without regard” to action or inaction.
If
you are going to give an example of inactivity not protecting from
taxation, give me a better example. Don't go from this tax is not a
Capitation to Capitation is a great example of inactivity not being
protected. In fact it is not a great example. Since neither
inactivity NOR activity would protect a person from the tax.
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 42 (2012)
Tax
incentives already promote,for example, purchasing homes and
professional educations. See 26 U. S. C. §§163(h), 25A.
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 42 (2012)
Now
I am having trouble to find the 26 U. S. C. mentioned above. But we
are not being taxed for not buying a house are we? How about being
taxed for not getting a professional education
We
have already explained that the shared responsibility payment’s
practical characteristics pass muster as a tax under our narrowest
interpretations of the taxing power.
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567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 43 (2012).
Talk
about narrow! If the IRS collects money its a tax. As long as it was
not too heavy its an allowed tax.
Here
is the part I am a bit confused on. So this narrow definition
involves not intending to break the law. “Such
scienter requirements are typical of punitive statutes, because
Congress often wishes to punish only those who intentionally break
the law.” What
confuses me is that it seems to involve people who may chose to
'break the law'. It was not unintended.
It
is only because the Commerce Clause does not authorize such a command
that it is necessary to reach the taxing power question. And it is
only because we have a duty to construe a statute to save it, if
fairly possible, that §5000A can be interpreted as a tax. Without
deciding the Commerce Clause question, I would find no basis to adopt
such a saving construction.
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FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v.
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Opinion of Roberts C. J. 44 (2012).
When
you have to narrow the definition of a tax in order for it to fit, so
narrow taxation can be applied to inactivity. When it is not argued
as a tax in a prior court. (even now when it is not even being
called a tax by the administration) The larger the law the greater
the interruption of the alternate meaning needs to be.
Those
subject to the individual mandate may lawfully forgo health insurance
and pay higher taxes, or buy health insurance and pay lower taxes.
A
foot note from page 44 of Chief Justice Roberts decision. So having
health care will reduce our taxes, or is it really just our taxes
won't go up.
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS 567 US Opinion of Roberts C. J. 44-45 (2012).
Reasonably?
You had to narrow the definition of tax down, and could not find any
tax in which inactivity is the ONLY reason for being taxed. You said
it is not a capitation tax, then later say how capitation is a good
example of inactivity not protecting you from a tax, but also
activity does not protect you from the tax. Because it is not a
penalty, since you can not disobey something which can not be
commanded of you.
In
dealing with the Medicaid expansion, Chief Roberts opinion is the
Federal Government can not make it so burdensome to the States they
have no choice in whether to follow the new expansion or not.
“What
Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to
participate in that new program by taking away their existing
Medicaid funding.”
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Opinion of Roberts C. J. 55 (2012)
It
was interesting to hear a discussion by George Washington University
Constitution Law Professor Luis Seidman claim that Chief Justice
Roberts did this for political purpose, by giving Romney something to
run against. Really? Roberts is trying to be conservative. But not
by overturning a law he would find objectionable as a conservative
but by but letting congress pass any constitutional laws it wants
even if he would personally disagree.
But
while you could agree the mandate needs to be a tax, it could be
stated that the way the tax is applied is not constitutional. No
example of a tax has been shown to be activated by inactivity. If it
is a penalty, which would not be allowed under the commerce clause,
inactivity (failure to obey a lawful and constitutional command to
acquire health insurance) triggers the penalty. Inactivity may not
protect a person from avoiding a tax as in a capitation, but it is
not what triggers the tax. In the capitation tax, existence would
trigger the tax,activity and inactivity would not protect a person
from the tax.
Taxing
someone for inactivity when they never has been a tax in which
failure to do something caused the tax. Give me an actual tax in
which it happened.
So
what would stop congress from having you pay a tax, if you don't show
proof of belonging to a gym?
Inactivity
may not protect you in a capitation or property tax. But inactivity
does not trigger the tax. Inactivity my trigger a penalty but where
in history has inactivity triggered the tax?
Well
this concludes my thoughts on the opinion of Chief Justice John
Roberts.
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